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To the OP . is your turbo an ats or factory ford?
I can mod either to do better than stock.

The guy I bought it from said factory but said it was an 093 and my friend was wondering if he could have it modified to do better then what it is right now on my pickup.
 

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Stock type turbos are negotiable over 250 I belive that to be wheel horsepower though, if spending that kind of money r and d idi performance would be well worth it, Justin could help you select turbo and fueling to your needs anything from stock to far from stock. Typ4 also does turbo work some customizing of stock type kits to make them not so stock anymore. I've got a factory kit with his 60-1 wheel mod in it I'm currently very happy with. Pairs nicely to my 90cc and stage 1's from r and d.

I have the r and d 80cc pump on my pickup right with stage 1s now.
 

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The turbo is just too small to push any more than 250rwhp.
I've tried. It's just driving the turbo /way/ too hard, pushes massive exhaust backpressure.
More than that, you need a bigger turbo, headstuds, and a rd2-110(minimum, you need this for over 220rwhp as well) or rd4-150/180.

I already have head studs but has anyone ran the stage one set up from r and d on oil burners?
 

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I would think the r and d kit would make more boost then the banks if I'm correct
 

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Okay. The kit doesn’t make boost, the piping and positioning of the turbo does not determine your boost, but the size of your turbo and the amount of fuel. The stock turbos- hypermax/ats/banks all run out around 250 hp the r&d kits allow you to go with a larger turbo which will allow to make more power, you could just put a larger turbo on the one of the three big kits or spend the money on the r&d kit, just depends on how much money you want to spend
 

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Okay. The kit doesn’t make boost, the piping and positioning of the turbo does not determine your boost, but the size of your turbo and the amount of fuel. The stock turbos- hypermax/ats/banks all run out around 250 hp the r&d kits allow you to go with a larger turbo which will allow to make more power, you could just put a larger turbo on the one of the three big kits or spend the money on the r&d kit, just depends on how much money you want to spend


pretty much my situation. i have a hypermax base with a much bigger turbo which has made the 90cc pump seem small as with the banks it was almost too big.
 

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That's is what i basically asked if the stage one turbo and his piping kit would make more boost then banks sorry if I didn' say it exactly like that. But at that same point I don't told what the piping does or doesn't do. I do understand how things work. But thanks for everyone' input I'll be looking into the r and d stuff and contacting him over it.
 

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It will make more boost... with enough fueL. With a stock pump you will be totally lacking. If you are going for an R&D kit, make sure to budget for a nice big IP(110cc+) so you can make and use that boost.

Lots of boost but no fuel also makes no HP; the boost is there to burn more fuel, which makes HP.
 

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And where do you want your boost, top end, or lower end, remember high boost numbers dont always mean power where you need it. so the factory kit has a v-band clamp on the outlet. the 093 is a slip fit and the turbine housing is bigger. internally they are the same.

But no one listens. LOL
 

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And where do you want your boost, top end, or lower end, remember high boost numbers dont always mean power where you need it. so the factory kit has a v-band clamp on the outlet. the 093 is a slip fit and the turbine housing is bigger. internally they are the same.

But no one listens. LOL

Lower end we don't see much highway around here and there is a hill I pull all the time to get to my house from where I work.
 

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It will make more boost... with enough fueL. With a stock pump you will be totally lacking. If you are going for an R&D kit, make sure to budget for a nice big IP(110cc+) so you can make and use that boost.

Lots of boost but no fuel also makes no HP; the boost is there to burn more fuel, which makes HP.

Okay thanks macrobb for helping me out. Really appreciate it.
 

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If you don't see much highway usage, then I'd go with a wastegated turbo. Overall, it will build boost lower in the RPMs and would be a better bet for you. They will quit making boost earlier in the RPMs than one without a wastegate, but everything's a trade off. An intercooler would also be a good investment. This is my opinion, do with it what you want.
 

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Mind you, if you have studs, you can run more boost. So you can run a turbo that would otherwise require a wastegate, without one.
This is why R&D turbos don't always come with a wastegate... because you can just let the boost build without needing to limit it.

Note that I run my wastegated Banks and Factory turbo with the wastegate disconnected; they won't push more than about 15-ish with a stock IP, and I have been able to run that without studs.

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Also, train yourself to use higher revs when you want power(2k-3k range). Once you add an IP that isn't having trouble pushing fuel higher up, you'll just plain make more power in that range than anything below it, unless you have a tiny turbo and are choking off the engine higher up.
Lets say you manage 6 psi at 1600. You'll have at least 12 at 2400, and if you can fuel to match, will make more torque up there. Even at the same torque, you'll be making 50% more power at 2400 than 1600.
 
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I would also suggest if going new to go with a R&D kit as well. the turbos offered are much newer and more advanced than any of the other kits.
that being said a modded banks hmax or ats all perform very well. It is more of a pick your poison.
 

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Id would also agree about moving away from the main 3 for a turbo kit. These kits were designed 20+ years ago and while at the time they were leading edge things have changed alot since then. I would talk to Mel about his moose boost or talk to R&D about a stage 1 turbo setup. The S200/S300... are modern turbos that im sure R&D has matched well with these engines. I like my banks setup and would love to see how it performs under a good load, but I also wouldnt mind some more modern power from a newer turbo setup.
 

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