Possible Air Intrusion?

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Hi all, new guy here. I've been researching this problem and I think I've narrowed it down but would like some help too. I have a bone stock 94 IDI Turbo with 105,000 miles. I bought it this summer and am slowly working on it. I've put about 1,000 miles on it so far. I've installed a new 40 gallon rear tank (no midship tank), new fuel lines, new lift pump, new injectors, new injection pump, new motorcraft glow plugs, and new filter. The return caps and lines looked newer and didn't leak so i didn't change them.

The other day while going up a steep hill the truck died at the top. It took considerable cranking to get it going again, but it did start. At the time it had 1/2 tank of fuel. I drove it another mile or so and it quit again. This happened a few more times until I got to fuel station to fill up. I filled it up to the top and still did the same thing. I found if I kept the truck under 45mph, and under 1/2 throttle it drove fine. If I pushed the accelerator down past 1/2 it would buck and try to stall. Which says to me it was starving for fuel. I managed to get it home about 40 miles away. It stalled whenever I needed more accelerator, or randomly at stops but not always. I live on a steep hill and going up was fine if I didn't go past 1/2 throttle.

Up until that day it's started great, even down to 2 degrees without being plugged in, and ran great. But, sometimes it would surge when going from 1st to second gear. I tore into it right after I got home and found the filter was only half full. The lift pump was pumping fuel and no fuel leaks.

I've ordered a new return line kit, and another 1 piece filter. Is there anywhere else I need to look? What would cause the filter to be half full? Any thoughts?
 

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Sounds like you are loosing prime and you have fuel going back to the tank. Add a check valve on the soft line by the lift pump on the frame and see if that helps.

Usually when you loose prime it’s from fuel leaks but just because you don’t have any external leaks doesn’t mean you can trust all the hardline connections, I’d check all the olives and if any are starting to crumble then replace them.
 

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Hi all, new guy here. I've been researching this problem and I think I've narrowed it down but would like some help too. I have a bone stock 94 IDI Turbo with 105,000 miles. I bought it this summer and am slowly working on it. I've put about 1,000 miles on it so far. I've installed a new 40 gallon rear tank (no midship tank), new fuel lines, new lift pump, new injectors, new injection pump, new motorcraft glow plugs, and new filter. The return caps and lines looked newer and didn't leak so i didn't change them.

The other day while going up a steep hill the truck died at the top. It took considerable cranking to get it going again, but it did start. At the time it had 1/2 tank of fuel. I drove it another mile or so and it quit again. This happened a few more times until I got to fuel station to fill up. I filled it up to the top and still did the same thing. I found if I kept the truck under 45mph, and under 1/2 throttle it drove fine. If I pushed the accelerator down past 1/2 it would buck and try to stall. Which says to me it was starving for fuel. I managed to get it home about 40 miles away. It stalled whenever I needed more accelerator, or randomly at stops but not always. I live on a steep hill and going up was fine if I didn't go past 1/2 throttle.

Up until that day it's started great, even down to 2 degrees without being plugged in, and ran great. But, sometimes it would surge when going from 1st to second gear. I tore into it right after I got home and found the filter was only half full. The lift pump was pumping fuel and no fuel leaks.

I've ordered a new return line kit, and another 1 piece filter. Is there anywhere else I need to look? What would cause the filter to be half full? Any thoughts?

Replaced the injectors, but left the old orings and lines for the return? Think that might be your issue. They might look fine, but moving those caps can cause issues.
 

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The olives (I had to look up what they were) are very brittle and will need to be replaced. I thought the olives were part of the hard line and didn't even think to take a good look at them and replace them. When I took the line off from the filter to the injection pump it was loose at the pump. So, I think that's the problem. I'll change the return lines anyway, just to be sure. The injectors came with new o-rings, the caps looked relatively new and popped into place, and the braided lines looked ok too, so I thought they were good to go. It'll take a few days to get the parts so i'll see how it goes and post back.
 

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One more question. While I'm doing this work with the return lines is it ok for the return line to the filter be moved to the return line off the injection pump for a factory turbo engine? I've read it's fine with an N/A engine but they have extra returns it looks like. If so, would it be ok to tee off the top of the pump or better to tee in downstream of the pump. Judging by the size of the filter return orifice at the housing I don't think it would be a problem.
 

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You can do whatever you like with the routing, it doesn’t matter much as long as the injectors and ip have a path to return
 

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You can do whatever you like with the routing, it doesn’t matter much as long as the injectors and ip have a path to return
Thanks for the help. I've since found a problem with the return lines and started another thread on that. Basically the passenger side doesn't return to the tank, and I think is the source of the problem I've been having.
 

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I see, all injectors need to be able to return as you now know. Easy fix at least!
 

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Just thought I'd chime in as I had a similar problem. Besides making sure you have no air intrusion or leaks, make sure there's no kinks/restrictions in the hoses,(like rubber hose to the lift pump) This could cause a partial restriction where it would idle and run ok at lower speeds, but be starved for fuel at more open throttle. Something I found with my truck, there was a vent on top of the tank that was plugged. This I believe contributed to the fuel problem I had by creating a vacuum making it harder for the pump to pull fuel. Previous owner had plugged the overflow hose coming off the fill tube and my fuel caps don't vent. At idle/no load fuel pressure looked fine (gauge at Schroeder valve) Took it for a drive, started out good (25/30 mph) till I got out on the highway (55 mph). Didn't get far and had to turn around. Make sure your tank vents.
 

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