Well this is normal.

XOLATEM · May 24, 2023

Rdnck84_03 said:
I have a fridge and an electric stove in the shop for these kinds of things. Had to get the stove because she about killed me after I baked some ceramic painted parts in hers.

James

heheh...did she ever find a disassembled transmission in the dishwasher? How about the toaster oven..?

I talked about a JD in another thread...or rather how I was stymied from fixing one because someone just could not find the right parts for one...and it was not my 'place' to order the parts on my own...

Eventually the machine was handed over to a JD dealer...but weeks later I was asked why a bunch of bearings and races were in the break room freezer...

IDIBRONCO · May 24, 2023

XOLATEM said:
I have nowhere near the seniority or tenure that most of you guys do and I want to aknowlege that everybody has an opinion that is valid in their world and has probably done things "their way" since Noah got his first Handy Andy Tool kit...

That being said and with my armchair expert belief (not 'knowlege') of rudimentary metallurgy and manufacturing techniques...

Flywheel ring gears for our purposes are supposed to be heat treated and have a friction fit to the flywheel unless they are welded to a flexplate. Also...they are probably 'rolled' out at the factory much like how common steel is and then bent around a mandrel and then machined to size.

When you install a ring gear to a flywheel it needs to be heated JUST ENOUGH to put in place EVENLY and not be overheated and thus lose its grip on the 'wheel and also not lose the heat treatment that was designed into it.

(here comes the rub...) I have seen otherwise pretty crackerjack mechanics heat up a flywheel with a torch and whack it in place with a steel hammer. (cringe, wince, turn away and grimace)

There is NO WAY that the 'torch' method can guarantee no loss in temper or even and 'just enough' heat all the way around the ring.

At least not by hand...that is, without a fixture that would spin the gear while heating. Any loss in temper will cause the metal to have a soft spot and stretch.

Another possibility is inferior offshore manufacturing where the machining and/or heat treating just did not cut the mustard.

What do you guys say?

I am bracing myself for the backlash....

I see no reason for back lash here.

XOLATEM · May 24, 2023

Thank you IDIBRONCO Jesus freak and Rdnck84_03 and chillman and Nero.

I am relatively new here and I would like to become a member in good standing and possibly help out when I can.
I have been wrenching for a while and I feel like I have finally graduated to having a 'real' truck.

I had a heavy half chevy for a good while but it was one of those that was so...uh...aerated...that it sang (whistled) a different tune almost weekly.

It is retired now and sitting...waiting for the drivetrain to be salvaged.
Poor thing...

When I worked for a paving company...I came to the realization that I really wanted something with a one-ton rear axle.

I like my Ford so much I look forward to the times I can steal away and take a nap in it...bench seat, you know.

Jesus Freak · May 24, 2023

XOLATEM said:
Thank you IDIBRONCO Jesus freak and Rdnck84_03 and chillman and Nero.

I am relatively new here and I would like to become a member in good standing and possibly help out when I can.
I have been wrenching for a while and I feel like I have finally graduated to having a 'real' truck.

I had a heavy half chevy for a good while but it was one of those that was so...uh...aerated...that it sang (whistled) a different tune almost weekly.

It is retired now and sitting...waiting for the drivetrain to be salvaged.
Poor thing...

When I worked for a paving company...I came to the realization that I really wanted something with a one-ton rear axle.

I like my Ford so much I look forward to the times I can steal away and take a nap in it...bench seat, you know.

Hey, we only pass judgement on Dodge people. We don't mind a Cummins, it's just the dodge wrapped around it. Glad to have you.

Brian VT · May 24, 2023

Rdnck84_03 said:
I have a fridge and an electric stove in the shop for these kinds of things. Had to get the stove because she about killed me after I baked some ceramic painted parts in hers.

James

If my wife ever found out that I wash my dirtbike's air filters in our clothes washing machine she'd probably condemn the machine and make me buy a new one for washing our clothes.
FYI, I highly recommend using NoToil on foam air filters and cleaning them with Oxy Clean in the vessel of your choice. I'll never go back to washing them of dino. oil in a bucket of gasoline. I'm sure that has played a part in the current condition of my brain. lol

Nero · May 25, 2023

Jesus Freak said:
Hey, we only pass judgement on Dodge people. We don't mind a Cummins, it's just the dodge wrapped around it. Glad to have you.

I mind Cummins guys, they usually are pretty arrogant and annoying. And I work on them daily.

Rdnck84_03 · May 25, 2023

XOLATEM said:
heheh...did she ever find a disassembled transmission in the dishwasher? How about the toaster oven..?

I have never used the dishwasher for cleaning parts, but I do have a little toaster oven in the shop for heating bearings for installation.

Brian VT said:
If my wife ever found out that I wash my dirtbike's air filters in our clothes washing machine she'd probably condemn the machine

Mine already thinks my work clothes have destroyed the washer.

James

Jesus Freak · May 25, 2023

Nero said:
I mind Cummins guys, they usually are pretty arrogant and annoying. And I work on them daily.

I didn't say "Cummins guys", of course they're arrogant, Just like the '86 TBI short box Chevy guy. I'm talking about the engine itself. Any dodge guy struts around his ugly truck like it's "the stuff", the whole time hoping his Torqeflight tranny will make it home.

IDIBRONCO · May 25, 2023

Brian VT said:
FYI, I highly recommend using NoToil on foam air filters and cleaning them with Oxy Clean in the vessel of your choice. I'll never go back to washing them of dino. oil in a bucket of gasoline.

I've thought about using No Toil, but have never got around to it. I wash mine out in a mop bucket with hot water and plenty of dish soap. Then it's dino foam filter oil on them. oil I've seem it said that gasoline will ruin the glue that holds them together so I've never used that.

KansasIDI · May 25, 2023

Jesus Freak said:
Hey, we only pass judgement on Dodge people. We don't mind a Cummins, it's just the dodge wrapped around it. Glad to have you.

Does this mean judgement is mine?

KansasIDI · May 25, 2023

XOLATEM · May 25, 2023

That reminds me...I'll get to the point in a sec, but first we need the parallel...

If you guys know anything about groundhogs, you may have heard that the mama 'hog boots out any overgrown kids by grabbing them and hauling it outta the home hole and going a distance away and digging a 'starter' hole while the kid watches.
That is how the kid learns to dig its own home and survive.
(that reminds me of another story but later..)

So...I worked at a paving company some time ago and the Co. did not provide uniforms...so...I had to supply my own work pants...which was ok with me until I had to wash them. (I put it off as long as I could)

Well...the Girl...(she has the patience of Job) showed me how to pre-soak the pants in oxy-clean, dawn, and hand cleaner...and agitate the stuff outta them until they would be fit to wash in the machine.

I managed to get her to 'show' me a coupla-few times at first...but eventually I had to put my own spin on it.

I could tell by her moods when the time was right...I had to survive at this job and learn how to clean a paving machine...(there has to be a better way...)

It was kinda cool watching her work that stuff, though...something about a girl not afraid of a little work.

Black dawg · May 25, 2023

XOLATEM said:
I have nowhere near the seniority or tenure that most of you guys do and I want to aknowlege that everybody has an opinion that is valid in their world and has probably done things "their way" since Noah got his first Handy Andy Tool kit...

That being said and with my armchair expert belief (not 'knowlege') of rudimentary metallurgy and manufacturing techniques...

Flywheel ring gears for our purposes are supposed to be heat treated and have a friction fit to the flywheel unless they are welded to a flexplate. Also...they are probably 'rolled' out at the factory much like how common steel is and then bent around a mandrel and then machined to size.

When you install a ring gear to a flywheel it needs to be heated JUST ENOUGH to put in place EVENLY and not be overheated and thus lose its grip on the 'wheel and also not lose the heat treatment that was designed into it.

(here comes the rub...) I have seen otherwise pretty crackerjack mechanics heat up a flywheel with a torch and whack it in place with a steel hammer. (cringe, wince, turn away and grimace)

There is NO WAY that the 'torch' method can guarantee no loss in temper or even and 'just enough' heat all the way around the ring.

At least not by hand...that is, without a fixture that would spin the gear while heating. Any loss in temper will cause the metal to have a soft spot and stretch.

Another possibility is inferior offshore manufacturing where the machining and/or heat treating just did not cut the mustard.

What do you guys say?

I am bracing myself for the backlash....

So, what is the correct way? It takes very little heat to get them over the flywheel, and a few taps to make sure it is seated really cant be hurting anything. This is the only way I have seen this done, by multiple professional mechanics.

XOLATEM · May 25, 2023

About Torqueflites and diesels...

A good man I met years ago...this guy would give you the shirt off his back and was full of good, old, common sense wisdom from a farmer and construction point of view...

He had (probably still does..) a 1988 Dodge truck with a Cummins and 3 speed Torqueflight. Thing had the cutest little turbo you ever did see.

His transmission needed building and he dearly loved the truck. It had a lotta miles on it and it had a problem that I had never seen before.

The low/rev roller clutch race had dug into the back of the case.

Now...finding a case at that time was ...uh...not do able...unobtainiun.

I got a machinist to fab up a fixture that would allow me to carve out some metal and get it flat again and run a captured needle bearing.

Worked great. will only work on the three speed unit. OD unit will not work.

Some years later I got a call from him outta the blue and he said that his truck was still soldiering on...

XOLATEM · May 25, 2023

Black Dawg...you are probably right...maybe there is no 'Correct' way...

It is just my preference to not use the torch although out in the field and in the shop whatever works and lasts is all that matters.

I have just seen some folks heat 'em up cherry red before and I can't get that horror show outta my head.

I thought that I would bring it up and do a survey to see what Y'all thought about it.

I kinda knew it could be a touchy subject.

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