Cheapest wmo setup

Jesus Freak · Jan 7, 2023

Farmer Rock said:
Howdy, I'm looking at selling my ranger and getting another IDI strictly for wmo use.
I plan to use it for a daily driver and work truck while my 99 is down.
Anyway, I'm wondering what the best bang for the buck is, as for burning wmo.
I know some of you guys have pretty elaborate setups, but I would like to keep this as simple as possible.
I was figuring on of course adding another fuel filter to start.
And I guess keep one tank full of straight diesel for startup and shutdown?
Does it need any kind of pre heat in the winter, or just run a thinner mix?
How are the mechanical pumps holding up to this use for you folks?
As much as I love my E pumps, I'd like to stick with mechanical in this application.
All I know is, between the parts truck (5.4), and the borrowed hemi, I'm going broke,lol. Besides the fact they aren't diesel.
I appreciate the help in advance. Thanks
Happy New Year!

Rock

Hey Rock, been out for a while. I obviously discribe my basic sett up in my WMO thread for my collection tank and in my tow truck thread I discribe my actual truck set up. If you're pulling, shoot for a turbo. You do loose some HP, but you can make it up with a turbo. And REMEMBER, WMO is a learning curve. You WILL sit on side of the road, you WILL experience failure, but if you stick it out, figure out what works for your truck and climate, you WILL figure it out and drive by the gas station saying, "nanny nanny boo boo, mine runs on other stuff!".

Farmer Rock · Jan 7, 2023

Jesus Freak said:
Hey Rock, been out for a while. I obviously discribe my basic sett up in my WMO thread for my collection tank and in my tow truck thread I discribe my actual truck set up. If you're pulling, shoot for a turbo. You do loose some HP, but you can make it up with a turbo. And REMEMBER, WMO is a learning curve. You WILL sit on side of the road, you WILL experience failure, but if you stick it out, figure out what works for your truck and climate, you WILL figure it out and drive by the gas station saying, "nanny nanny boo boo, mine runs on other stuff!".

I'm thinking of trying this in my super duty when I get the 12v in it.
I ended up getting a gasser for a daily due to the fuel prices, but I'm definitely interested in trying wmo in the Cummins.
I was thinking of running it at 50/50 mix, does that sound reasonable?

Rock

Jesus Freak · Jan 7, 2023

Farmer Rock said:
I'm thinking of trying this in my super duty when I get the 12v in it.
I ended up getting a gasser for a daily due to the fuel prices, but I'm definitely interested in trying wmo in the Cummins.
I was thinking of running it at 50/50 mix, does that sound reasonable?

Rock

That's totally reasonable. Since the Cummins is DI I think 50/50 is best, but don't quote me on that. Eventually Im going to start centerfuging, but right now I just settle and filter. After 5 months driving my tow truck daily, I really got to noticing I had to give it more pedel to go, so I changed the filter coming from the WMO tank and all is well again. Definitely add a filter or 2 to your trucks set up, but you'll be fine. Just don't expect "plug and play", practice a bit before you go on the "big adventure". Tow your lawn mower to your father-in-law's house before you tow your backhoe to Kansas.

Cant Write · Jan 7, 2023

@Farmer Rock

What gasser did you end up finding?

Farmer Rock · Jan 7, 2023

Cant Write said:
@Farmer Rock

What gasser did you end up finding?

I got a good deal on a 5.4 SD plain Jane work truck around the corner.
I couldn't pass it up, and it fits the bill. It's a good daily driver, and will do the work I need it to until my 99 is going

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First thing this morning, I replaced those stupid mirrors with the SD towing mirrors. I'm all about visibility,lol

Rock

captain720 · Jan 8, 2023

If it starts to sound like a diesel when you start up that 5.4 it needs cam phasers,usually the factory ones are good for around 100k and aftermarket’s 0-50k miles. They can also be more difficult to resale in my opinion as word is out about that problem, kind of like trying to sell a 6.0 powerstroke. Even if you fix everything they are not always easy to sell.

Farmer Rock · Jan 8, 2023

I'm really not worried about it. If something happens to the current engine, I have one in a parts truck that just turned 100k.
I don't get why people bad mouth the 2v 5.4, it's really no worse than an LS or hemi.
It's no diesel, but ain't bad for a small block.

Rock

captain720 · Jan 8, 2023

Farmer Rock said:
I'm really not worried about it. If something happens to the current engine, I have one in a parts truck that just turned 100k.
I don't get why people bad mouth the 2v 5.4, it's really no worse than an LS or hemi.
It's no diesel, but ain't bad for a small block.

Rock

Oh you got the 2v I had assumed it was a 3v 5.4. We used to own one and it needed an everything replaced at least once.

asmith · Jan 8, 2023

I have a '05 expedition with the 5.4 in it. It has been an amazing engine. we are at 223,000 miles and have never had anything major replaced on the motor, or the vehicle for that matter. We have replaced spark plugs and coils, and a starter. Just stay up on oil changes. Obviously your truck will put more strain on the motor than our expedition, but we do tow our travel trailer with it several times a year, going across the central valley in 110* heat then up the Sierra Nevadas to 8000' loaded down.
its been a great engine for us.

WrenchWhore · Jan 8, 2023

My good friend Mark had a 2v 5.4 and he drove it everyday to work in CA as a glazier. Bought it from a used work truck lot for about $1200. It had 150k, SCLB, no AC, white, bare bones. Only major problem if you call it that was a bad fuel injector after 10 years of driving it. His only complaint was the hot driving in the summer time on the way home from work.

captain720 · Jan 8, 2023

Yes the 2v is a completely different thing from the 3v 5.4 although some people have had good experience with the 3v my experience has been that it is high maintenance even when babied.

sjwelds · Jan 9, 2023

I've had four 5.4 3v engines. Highest mileage one had 180k on it when I sold it. AFAIK original timing components on every engine and have never had a problem. Granted that's not crazy high mileage but to say they're junk at 100k is a bit of a stretch lol.

asmith · Jan 9, 2023

Thats been my experience too, SJ. my parents had 215,*** on theirs when they sold it. like I said ours is going strong. I know of several others. but obviously there are those that have issues.

captain720 · Jan 9, 2023

asmith said:
Thats been my experience too, SJ. my parents had 215,*** on theirs when they sold it. like I said ours is going strong. I know of several others. but obviously there are those that have issues.

I think it’s like any vehicle with a known problem, lots of people get along fine but mechanics, dealers, and the like become hyper aware of the problem because they see it far more. In my case the 3v 5.4 was not a great one but your mileage may vary, I’m certain some folks got lots of miles out of theirs just fine but that has not been my experience.

captain720 · Jan 9, 2023

It’s also worth noting that the 3v rides or dies on maintenance, if you regularly do 3-5k mile full synthetic oil changes and only use high quality dealer parts for engine internals they can be quite good. But if a previous owner didn’t do a good job you are starting out in a very big hole as a little sludge in the oil affects your cam phasers and therefore engine timing. The timing parts are also not overbuilt so being slow to build oil pressure can be detrimental.

The people who have the best luck bought either well maintained ones or low mileage ones and maintenances them regularly.

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