Mech changed Injector pump now I got black smoke...

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In hindsight I wish would have done more investigation. It's a work truck so it's just got to be reliable. I just don't really like the smoking thing next time around or if I decide to turbo the truck I will probably go with a moose injector set up but for now I just got to get it running so that I can work. Honestly I didn't think that was going to be such a big deal to fix it a small drip on my injector pump.
 

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OK I think I need help. I just double checked the timing with the timing light and it 9.5 +/- 2 and the pick up said 9.5. It still smokes really bad at 3/4 to full throttle. It runs really good now but the smoke bugs me!! What can I do next. Please help thanks
 

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OK I think I need help. I just double checked the timing with the timing light and it 9.5 +/- 2 and the pick up said 9.5. It still smokes really bad at 3/4 to full throttle. It runs really good now but the smoke bugs me!! What can I do next. Please help thanks

Turn pump down...hope smoke stops....

What to you is really bad...video would be helpful.

It is mechanical injection...maybe the pump is fritzy n ****** rebuild?

It isnt for a turbo is it?
 

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I turned the pump down 1 flat it helped but not much. Should I take it down one more. I'm up loading a vid this is full throttle. Also something weird gen i got home the tuck would not stop running I turned the key off 3-4 time then it final turned off.https://youtu.be/OfSsqlf2v00
 
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K thatz a ***** tonna smoke...hmmm...hows air cleaner?

Ya turn it down a couple flats watch pyro too see if egt goes down
 

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K thatz a ***** tonna smoke...hmmm...hows air cleaner?

Ya turn it down a couple flats watch pyro too see if egt goes down

Air/Fuel/Oil are brand new. I don't got EGT on the truck. I turn down tomorrow see how it goes. thanks for the help
 

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that's fuel smoke no doubt. as cruel as it may sound, time for a real rebuild from either Oregon Fuel Injection or Conestoga Diesel.
 

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Anyone not in the know would look at that ip and visually see that it's much easier to pull the gear cover off with the pump. Seen it happen to a friend before I was able to warn him about timing
 

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Anyone not in the know would look at that ip and visually see that it's much easier to pull the gear cover off with the pump. Seen it happen to a friend before I was able to warn him about timing
i'd agree with you if I didn't see the vid. i've driven trucks with the pump off a couple of teeth. idle is an issue as well as the extreme lack of power. the truck in the vid suffers from neither.
 

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Hopefully this helps. The high low setting has no affect on the readings on our engines. I tested it with each type of readings available(probe and light)

Dieselcrawler,​

Your video on setting timing with the Tech-Time 3300-S received some excellent comments, including the suggestion to put a link to it in the Tech section.​

However, before and after logging into Youtube, I get approximately the same message:
Video unavailable
This video is private
Does this video still exist and is there any location where we can access it?
Over the past several years many people have purchased brand new Military Surplus Tech-Time 3300-S units made available by a number of re-sellers on Ebay who bought them in volume from military storage facilities auctions (since the Hummer has been discontinued). So, many people have questions on how to use it and I think we would all like to see your video if it still exists.
THANKS!
 

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Questions

1) Did you want to learn how to use your tech time?
or
2) You know how to but think members would bebefit from having it reposted.

Myself or IDIBronco can tell you how to use it if you like. It is fairly straight foreward. DTI also posts the instructions but they are generic not Ford specific.


In case the videos are gone.

For members with a truck. I believe vans use a different cylinder and thus perhaps a different offset but the rest applies.
1) Timing is set off #1 cylinder. (Passenger side by radiator.)
2) Timing is set to 8.5* btdc at 2,000 rpm. Spec for both 6.9 and 7.3 motors. Some members prefer 9.5* btdc.
3) Turning pump towards passenger fender advances timing. Drivers side retards it. Read up members have discussed how to make or buy tools that make loosening the pump and lines easier. I bought a wrench and made it thinner on a grinding wheel. For instance I bought a wrench and ground it thin for one of the injector bolts.(Did not want to ruin the one from my wrench set.) I have a crows foot to help loosen some of the injector lines.
4) It is highly recommended not to set timing or leave IP loose with engine running. Loosen IP, set, tighten, start, and restart engine. Rinse and repeat till you get it set.
5) If your timing is say more than 4* off you should loosen the injector lines on the back of the pump to move the IP without stressing the lines. Tighten to snug tight, not hulk tight or you will damage them. You can always tighten more if needed. Once damage you need a néw one.
6) Sand/clean paint off injector line where you put the piezo clamp. Put it as close to injector as possible but not on the bend. If you get a rpm reading on the meter it is working.
7) You can use the meter now 3 ways. You set the knob on the meter to which method you are using.
a) Damper probe - If you bought the eBay one it comes with the probe. The probe many say is slightly to big for the damper hole. Some say pull the retaining clip off, some say taking a drill bit by hand and cleaning out the hole on the timing tab worked. Some sanded/grinded the probe tip to a smaller diameter. They probe is a little finicky. Some say the probe worked sitting off the damper at a space made by a business card other say 3-5 business cards. Also recommended is cleaning off the damper and making sure the timing line is cleaned out so it registered on the probe. If using cylinder one for the piezo clamp, you use a 20* offset because the damper hole is not at TDC.(It’s 20* off TDC, thus why you adjust the meter to 20.). If the timing probe is working you will see the timing. If not I believe it shows -20 but do not hold me to that.
b) You can buy a timing light from DTI, ~$100, that pugs in to the meter directly and no dampener probe is needed. No 20* offset is needed. It has the ability to do advance so you can figure out what the timing is but also how far off it is. This is in my opinion the easiest way to use the meter.
c) If you have a gasser timing gun with advance you can use it too. There is a u shaped bar on the meter that the spark plug clamp on the timing light hooks too. If the light is not working flip the timing lights clamp over. Some lights may not work. So you may need to buy or borrow a different brand if yours does not. But flipping and moving the clamp often makes it work. Use the timing bar setting on the meter and no offset. Use the advance to set to 8.5* and you set the timing marks on the damper to TDC. The timing tab does not have a 8.5* mark so you use the advance so you can align them to TDC but you actually are setting to 8.5*. You can use the advance to also determine how far off your timing is.

For those members without a meter of some kind today. Timing is everything on these trucks. 90% of shops do not have one and will “time by ear” but that gets close but not on the money. So wether you buy it and use it or buy it and lend to your mechanic. You should have one to make your truck run the best it can, starts easy, smokes little to none, and runs cool.
 
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