Auto diesel vs diesel #2?

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What's the difference between the two, besides the price in some states? I'm guessing the extra cost on #2 is extra road tax aimed at semis? Or is the fuel different in some way?

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I'm not sure why the #2 diesel is more expensive at your location but they should be the same but the auto diesel is slower.
 

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I'm not sure why the #2 diesel is more expensive at your location but they should be the same but the auto diesel is slower.

Ah yep heavier diesel vehicles have to pay more fuel tax in Arizona:

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Those prices are at a Flying J in Arizona. They already inflate the price for the truck lanes so I guess between their inflated truck lane prices and the state tax, that's why.
 

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None of the googled above answer makes a lick of sense to me. Off-road diesel(non-taxed) should be exactly the same price as road diesel MINUS the tax, which is considerable in my state. Like $0.75 per gallon.
A "truck diesel" wouldn't be tax exempt unless your state has some wacky rules.

Much more likely to me is that you are in a state that has passed laws to target and penalize trucks at the pumps instead of in other taxes like licensing fees the way WA does here.

It actually makes sense in a way, saving low-mileage drivers a lot of money. But of course it hits the line haulers the worst.

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It actually makes sense in a way, saving low-mileage drivers a lot of money. But of course it hits the line haulers the worst.

It has to do with how much vehicles tear up the roads. Semis do more road damage than our IDIs, so Arizona charges them a higher fuel tax, which goes towards roads.
 

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IN Texas the state Comptrollers office regulates fuel and road taxes....If you get caught burning non--tax diesel( red diesel) they will arrest you and impound your vehicle incident to arrest. Then you have a tax felony criminal record. Do they need a warrant? No, just your driving on a public street and reasonable suspicion is all they need. They can drop a tube in your fuel tank when you drive off from the fuel island, and check for red dye diesel. If you have a siphon hose trap, then they apply for a warrant and BOOM , they can access your fuel any way they want.

Many farmers run red dye diesel , but get away with it because of the work they do; and the fact they run WMO to cover the colorant of the dye.....Plus they can declare the vehicle they are driving is an offroad vehicle only, but is being driven to the fuel island to fill up, much like a john deere tractor! ..... Also the red dye has a distinctive odor about it, Ive been told K-9 s have been used to detect the red dye.
 

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I've never heard the odor thing before.

I've always heard those who burn red fuel could always say they use trans fluid as a lubricant in the tank, and that is where the red dye comes from:dunno
 

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It’s not that simple. The red die has a specific chemical composition they can test for... so just saying it ATF won’t fly....

In Indiana it a $10,000 tax evasion fine, per vehicle caught
 

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i went to vo tech school for being a Diesel Mechanic. they told us that if a truck gets pulled over to get a DOT check done that is the only time they check your tanks. so if you own your pickup truck, which doesnt have a DOT number on it, i dont think they can check your tanks
 

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None of the googled above answer makes a lick of sense to me. Off-road diesel(non-taxed) should be exactly the same price as road diesel MINUS the tax, which is considerable in my state. Like $0.75 per gallon.
A "truck diesel" wouldn't be tax exempt unless your state has some wacky rules.

Much more likely to me is that you are in a state that has passed laws to target and penalize trucks at the pumps instead of in other taxes like licensing fees the way WA does here.

It actually makes sense in a way, saving low-mileage drivers a lot of money. But of course it hits the line haulers the worst.

Edit: Hey I was right! Beat me to it.
I think the tax exempt truck diesel being referred to here is likely exempt from an additional tax added on top of the tax difference between dyed diesel and clear that some states likely do.
 

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#2 diesel is actual home heating oil that is sold as offroad diesel
i went to vo tech school for being a Diesel Mechanic. they told us that if a truck gets pulled over to get a DOT check done that is the only time they check your tanks. so if you own your pickup truck, which doesnt have a DOT number on it, i dont think they can check your tanks
That may be true on the highway,but in rural farming areas,the will just pull you over if it's an old diesel.They actually stop at all the farms here,every so often,and stick the tank of your truck.
FWIW #2 diesel/offroad diesel is actually home heating oil and the other way around.



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In Indiana it a $10,000 tax evasion fine, per vehicle caught
I've heard the same thing here in Kansas. I haven't actually checked into it, and I have NO desire to get fined so I run road diesel only and I avoid ATF in the tank just in case.
 

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I had my tanks checked once about 20 years ago. Iirc it was a sheriff’s deputy who flagged me over, but it was a woman with the state department of revenue who actually checked the fuel. She stuck a clear tube in each filler to check the color. It was just a couple of minutes and I was on my way. I may be off on the details, it was 20 years ago and I’ve been pulled over a lot. SMH


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i went to vo tech school for being a Diesel Mechanic. they told us that if a truck gets pulled over to get a DOT check done that is the only time they check your tanks. so if you own your pickup truck, which doesnt have a DOT number on it, i dont think they can check your tanks

Not the case in Indiana. They can dip any vehicle. I've seen them dip personal pickups when they pull away from the pump at my preferred station. My station sells both On-Road and Off-Road (red) diesel at the same island. I've even seem a trooper pull in, watch the person fill with red diesel into the factory tank on their pickup and call the DOT trooper to come check it... Never a good day when you see a silver ISP vehicle pull in (the standard trooper vehicle is white, the DOT troopers vehicles are silver) I've also seen them go to farm sales and auctions, the livestock sale barn and dip every vehicle that says DIESEL on it..... They don't play here.... I knew a farmer that had a semi tractor dipped at an accident. It had red fiuel in it. They went back to the farm and dipped every vehicle with a license plate on it. They found several vehicles with red dye in it. He had a new farm hand that was trying to impress the boss and made sure that everything was full of fuel. He wasn't a farm kid, and didn't realize the difference in the tanks... so e filled EVERYTHING that took diesel from the same tank... the red tank..... That cost the farmer several hundred thousand dollars once it was all said and done.... unfortunately, the stress from all of it was too much (the bankrupted the farm and they lost everything in a generations old farm)... his son "found" him in the cab of his pickup on one of the pieces of property they had left.....
 

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