nitroguy
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Haha! No worries. I stretched them out a bit which opened up the pores and made it go faster. Probably good to slow down a bit anyway.
Project! Introducing Smokey Pete, the 1989 F250.
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Haha! No worries. I stretched them out a bit which opened up the pores and made it go faster. Probably good to slow down a bit anyway.
nitroguy
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Shakedown run complete!
Also, here's a walk around. How's it sound to you guys? Good? Bad? It's smoothed out a BIT, but still lumpy. Seem advanced too much? Not enough?
Got it warmed up (lots of oil burning off, freaked me out) and drove.
First thing I noticed was I forgot to put on the bolts for the vacuum pump bracket, so had to put those back on. Also learned my valve covers were way too loose. Tightened those up and stopped the leaks.
Coolant level holds, brakes are great. Steering is sloppy, wondering if the rag joint is shot? Looots of play.
Here's a photo of my homemade starter plate. Block of wood glued down with some screws to hold it in place. Works good!
Also only getting 5lb of boost, empty. I'll check for leaks, but with a maxed out pump and 1st gen Banks, what should I expect? Sure is Smokey!!
Also my throttle cable was all kinds of wonky. Did the fuel line trick by cutting a short section, slicing it open, and using a zip tie to keep it together.
Realized my spring on the cable was binding way before my throttle was full open, probably only half throttle max. So I cut off the spring altogether. Hope that doesn't bite me later, but I left the spring on the pump. Pedal action feels awesome now.
Also still needs to get timed. Gotta find someone around who can do that. Oh, and I should probably register it and put my hood on.
All in all, I'm happy!
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Also, here's a walk around. How's it sound to you guys? Good? Bad? It's smoothed out a BIT, but still lumpy. Seem advanced too much? Not enough?
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Got it warmed up (lots of oil burning off, freaked me out) and drove.
First thing I noticed was I forgot to put on the bolts for the vacuum pump bracket, so had to put those back on. Also learned my valve covers were way too loose. Tightened those up and stopped the leaks.
Coolant level holds, brakes are great. Steering is sloppy, wondering if the rag joint is shot? Looots of play.
Here's a photo of my homemade starter plate. Block of wood glued down with some screws to hold it in place. Works good!
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Also only getting 5lb of boost, empty. I'll check for leaks, but with a maxed out pump and 1st gen Banks, what should I expect? Sure is Smokey!!
Also my throttle cable was all kinds of wonky. Did the fuel line trick by cutting a short section, slicing it open, and using a zip tie to keep it together.
Realized my spring on the cable was binding way before my throttle was full open, probably only half throttle max. So I cut off the spring altogether. Hope that doesn't bite me later, but I left the spring on the pump. Pedal action feels awesome now.
Also still needs to get timed. Gotta find someone around who can do that. Oh, and I should probably register it and put my hood on.
All in all, I'm happy!
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IDIBRONCO
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Hoodless-isn't that Texas style? Just poking a little fun at Wes.
The first gen banks weren't wastegated so they take longer to spool up and clear out the black smoke. Before you try adjusting anything, I'd have the timing set and then watch the black smoke. Honestly though, the maxed out IP may be too much for this turbo. All they were good for stock was in the 8-10 PSI range if you're lucky. The 5 PSI may not be that far off if the timing's off a ways. It would still be a good idea to check for obvious boost leaks though.
nitroguy
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Hoodless-isn't that Texas style? Just poking a little fun at Wes.
. too funny. It sure does make things easier though!! I see now why he does it. Good to know about the Banks. That's a bummer, but understandable. Sure does pull a lot harder than my NA 6.9, that's for sure!!!
Would you say an upgraded IP and injectors from Wes, then, wouldn't help me unless I did a turbo at the same time? Or would it help in fuel curve and fueling still? I figure if I'm already not getting enough air with my stock IP, I don't see how a bigger IP is going to help until I get more air. True?
nitroguy
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Man, when I went to archive my notes, I wrote out all that I did (that I could recall at least). When you write it all out, sure seems like a lot!
ENGINE
Pulled Engine:
-New heads
-Rebuilt Garrett Turbo
-ARP Head Studs
-New Headgasket
-Painted Ford Grey engine paint
-Painted manifolds with VHT Silver
-New Water Pump
-FL1995 motorcraft oil filter
-New Fuel Filter
-New Napa Starter (not gear reduction)
-New Beru ZD9 glow plugs
-Drilled and Tapped for Helicoils on IP cover
ENGINE BAY
-Redone engine wiring harness
-New GP relay, mounted on passenger inner fender
-Cleaned Up Wiring
-Cold Air Intake tubing
-New K&N Filter
-Relocated CDR, new hose
-New Rotella ELC Low Nitrite coolant
-Adjusted throttle cable to reach full throw
EXHAUST
-Removed Banks muffler, replaced with 3in straight pipe
-Sealed Uppipe with Permatex Ultra Copper
INTERIOR
-Relocated Manual starter button
-Installed Manual glow plug button
-New Autometer Boost Gauge
EXTERIOR
-Full engine bay degrease
-Wash
-Cleaner Wax
-Ceramic Finish Wax
-Headlights Polish
-Taillights polished
-New Turn signal bulbs
-New Windshield Wipers
-New Front Drive Shaft U-Joint and Straps
ENGINE
Pulled Engine:
-New heads
-Rebuilt Garrett Turbo
-ARP Head Studs
-New Headgasket
-Painted Ford Grey engine paint
-Painted manifolds with VHT Silver
-New Water Pump
-FL1995 motorcraft oil filter
-New Fuel Filter
-New Napa Starter (not gear reduction)
-New Beru ZD9 glow plugs
-Drilled and Tapped for Helicoils on IP cover
ENGINE BAY
-Redone engine wiring harness
-New GP relay, mounted on passenger inner fender
-Cleaned Up Wiring
-Cold Air Intake tubing
-New K&N Filter
-Relocated CDR, new hose
-New Rotella ELC Low Nitrite coolant
-Adjusted throttle cable to reach full throw
EXHAUST
-Removed Banks muffler, replaced with 3in straight pipe
-Sealed Uppipe with Permatex Ultra Copper
INTERIOR
-Relocated Manual starter button
-Installed Manual glow plug button
-New Autometer Boost Gauge
EXTERIOR
-Full engine bay degrease
-Wash
-Cleaner Wax
-Ceramic Finish Wax
-Headlights Polish
-Taillights polished
-New Turn signal bulbs
-New Windshield Wipers
-New Front Drive Shaft U-Joint and Straps
IDIBRONCO
IDIBRONCO
I'm going to say that you should upgrade the turbo before you upgrade the fuel system to put even more fuel through the engine. You'll have to turn the fuel way down on a bigger pump. Then it won't make a big difference on how it runs unless they are pretty worn. My feeling is that being over-turboed is better than over fueled. Too much air won't raise your EGTs. Speaking of which, I didn't see where you added a pyrometer. Since you're over fueled now, and you're wanting to upgrade for more power, it would be a good investment.
The_Josh_Bear
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This is great advice!
Pyro FTW!
It sounds...kinda chuffy. Maybe it's the hood removed or the camera mic but that chuff sound on decel kinda bugs me. Maybe someone with a better ear can chime in. Timing sounds really good actually, always hard to say over video or even in person.
Steering is usually lots of little things but primarily the steering box and the slip-joint in the steering rod. It's called a double-D fitting and there is a plastic spacer Ford used that wears out or falls out. I filled the gap with old feeler gauges which worked, then threw those away and drilled and tapped the outer shaft, then put a set bolt in place with blue thread locker and it's perfect. My steering is like a Toyota corolla compared to most Ford pickups.
The way to find your weakest spots is to have a helper turn the wheel back and forth engine off with the wheels on the ground and figure out what's moving and what's not. The joint between those two is the main culprit!
Boost leaks are super common at the header and up pipes. The best solution I have found came from @Thewespaul. Wire wheel the flanges really well and put a liberal application of copper RTV on them and reassemble. I was really skeptical but after over a year(maybe 2?) mine has held up well and I will run the Pyro up to 1150* towing hills.
After boost leaks, consider your air filter. It's tiny. I know it's K&N but I doubt it's rated for this much air. I had a cheap spectra filter on mine to get it running and it was the same size. Choked my engine good and I got a lot of smoke and 5psi of boost. After a while you could see where it was bending in under the vacuum. Unfortunately good, big filters aren't cheap but airflow is pivotal for boost and diesels in general.
You aren't the only one that cut that spring out, as long as the IP one is strong enough you're golden.
I agree, it does sound a bit chuffy...... but how long did it sit? I would get it up to temp maybe even a bit of a hard run..... it could be just everything working on getting loosened up.... could be schmoo in a lifter and just needs to be worked out.....
But if it doesn't clear up fairly quickly..... the heads are coming back off....
But if it doesn't clear up fairly quickly..... the heads are coming back off....
nitroguy
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Thanks all for your input!! Super helpful.
Yes, a pryro is on order and will be here tomorrow from Amazon. There's a Pyro in the truck currently, and I hoped it would work. Sure enough... No dice. So, $180 later and I've got one coming.
The steering is definitely sloppy, but after more inspection and lots of reading here, it is definitely before the box and in the shaft itself. So, I'll pull that cover off here soon and see if I can tighten it up in there. Also have a 2.5in lift I'm going to put on at the same time. I know, I should just buy a Dana 60, but had to draw the line somewhere, and this'll get me down the road. I'll report back with the lift and steering fix.
As far as the chuffing. Yeah, has me nervous. I dumped a can of Seafoam in the oil and a bottle of Hotshots Diesel Extreme in the tank. The bottom end was definitely goo-y when pulling it apart, so I'm hoping to loosen things up and drain the oil in 500 miles or so.
I did a run today, longest one yet (thanks quarantine). 20 miles round trip. First fill up of fuel, the PO left me a rear tank that was full! That's a cool win. I thought my vent was just clogged at first, but no, it's actually full! Cool!
I pieced together this montage video, let me know what you think. Not of my editing skills, but of the truck. First bit is startup when it warmed up a bit, it's about 34° out at this point. Then is driving with a tick tick tick tick. Then under the hood, and lastly outside the truck. That tick tick tick tick is there. Moves with the rpms.
My guesses are
Stuck rings
Stuck valve
Exhaust leak
Lower end knock somewhere (oh please no)
Let me know your thoughts!!
Last, obligatory photo. Here's Pete before his first real drive, a dump run.
Happy trails all.
And yes, feeling better over here from Rona. Fatigued and quarantined with 4 little ones will make anyone fatigued, but this is even more so. But life's great, and we have nothing to complain about.
Yes, a pryro is on order and will be here tomorrow from Amazon. There's a Pyro in the truck currently, and I hoped it would work. Sure enough... No dice. So, $180 later and I've got one coming.
The steering is definitely sloppy, but after more inspection and lots of reading here, it is definitely before the box and in the shaft itself. So, I'll pull that cover off here soon and see if I can tighten it up in there. Also have a 2.5in lift I'm going to put on at the same time. I know, I should just buy a Dana 60, but had to draw the line somewhere, and this'll get me down the road. I'll report back with the lift and steering fix.
As far as the chuffing. Yeah, has me nervous. I dumped a can of Seafoam in the oil and a bottle of Hotshots Diesel Extreme in the tank. The bottom end was definitely goo-y when pulling it apart, so I'm hoping to loosen things up and drain the oil in 500 miles or so.
I did a run today, longest one yet (thanks quarantine). 20 miles round trip. First fill up of fuel, the PO left me a rear tank that was full! That's a cool win. I thought my vent was just clogged at first, but no, it's actually full! Cool!
I pieced together this montage video, let me know what you think. Not of my editing skills, but of the truck. First bit is startup when it warmed up a bit, it's about 34° out at this point. Then is driving with a tick tick tick tick. Then under the hood, and lastly outside the truck. That tick tick tick tick is there. Moves with the rpms.
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My guesses are
Stuck rings
Stuck valve
Exhaust leak
Lower end knock somewhere (oh please no)
Let me know your thoughts!!
Last, obligatory photo. Here's Pete before his first real drive, a dump run.
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Happy trails all.
And yes, feeling better over here from Rona. Fatigued and quarantined with 4 little ones will make anyone fatigued, but this is even more so. But life's great, and we have nothing to complain about.
nitroguy
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What do you suspect it might be? Was definitely sitting for a while, and lots (thick!) goo on the bottom end. But what's your thought, or fear?
Laine D
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I heard a pop. I’ve never heard a diesel pop from anything other than timing. Are you sure the IP isn’t 1 tooth off or something?
Laine D
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I am not a wizard at these engines by any means but man I swear that’s fuel related. When you’re driving it the engine itself sounds fine. The popping and the missing. That’s gotta be timing or the injection pump. I’m hoping some others will agree with me.
nitroguy
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I mean it's definitely possible. I didn't pull the housing off, so it would have had to be misaligned by the previous diesel shop. Easy way to check?
Here's hoping! In person it almost sounds like an exhaust leak, going to make sure those are all tight tomorrow
nitroguy
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Just swung by to brag about maybe the best night working on my truck yet. Very little to do with what I was doing (installing enough lift for tire clearance, 2.5in) and everything to do with who I did it with.
Dreams are made of this stuff.
Dreams are made of this stuff.
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Got him all washed up and put new tires on (stole from Red Fred), getting ready for an alignment tomorrow. Looks good, if I do say so myself!
And here's a before and after.
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