Ford Paint??

[gandalf]

We had our first real rain of the year a couple days ago. We need it, it makes us all happy.

What does not make me happy is what it apparently did to my truck. It literally peeled the paint off part of the hood!! I was not aware of a problem with the paint prior to the rain, which is to say the paint was there, the entire hood was white. The paint was not bubbled. Now, after the rain, there are rather large sections where the white has flaked off and it's down to the gray primer.

Now I know that Ford paint was terrible for a period of time, but this is ridiculous. I can begin to understand paint wearing thin, but flaking off in the rain?

Three pictures to show the damage.

One picture shows paint flakes on the pavement in front of the truck. One shows the paint literally lifting off the hood. The third shows the extent of the damage. This is, btw, on the '92 CC.

 

[laserjock]

Wow. That sucks.

My best friends dad had a brand new 90 I think it was that was grey. Ford ended up repainting it I believe. It looked like that in no time. Seems like certain colors were worse than others. The red seemed to hold up better than like the grey and white. Don't know why. Probably a chemistry problem between the primer and the top coat. This is before they went base and clear. Not sure when that transition happened. I know as I'm working on my truck, the areas that are ****** paint are really weak. Takes nothing to knock it off.

This article is interesting. I suspected it but wasn't sure this was the problem.

http://articles.latimes.com/1992-09-09/news/vw-78_1_trucks-ford

 

[IDIoit]

could be 2 other issues also.
1) the prep work on these mass produced cars don't get what a good paint shop would do.
2) bay area acid rain!
maybe you should e-mail Mark zukerburg and tell him to stop polluting the skys

 

[towcat]

welcome to PPG paint products. I've been dealing with this for years. you're lucky/not so lucky to have made it this far. if it happened early on, you could have had it redone under warranty. now it needs to be stripped down to bare metal and built back up again.

 

[gandalf]

welcome to PPG paint products. I've been dealing with this for years. you're lucky/not so lucky to have made it this far. if it happened early on, you could have had it redone under warranty. now it needs to be stripped down to bare metal and built back up again.

You mean that mythical Ford Paint warranty isn't still in effect? They probably would have used the same/similar PPG paint, which would have only delayed the inevitable.


Take a WAG at cost to repaint cab and forward. I'm not sure I'm inclined to do the bed.

 

[IDIoit]

nows your chance to break out the welder, and install a hood scoop!

 

[Crankybait]

The Big 3 all had paint problems in the 80's and 90's when the EPA cracked down on the factories VOC pollution into the air. The paint industry had a to scramble to comply and to develop new compounds. Sadly the vehicle buyers paid the price for the change from lacquer and enamel paints that had been used for years. The colorcoat/clearcoat lost adhesion to the sealer, causing it peel off in sheets. Most of this happened when the vehicles were just a few years old. I'm not of what scientific event caused this to occur to your truck all these years later. I do know how we used to repaint these affected autos. First off the factory sealer and paint were electrically and heat bonded to the sheet metal during application, nothing we have available in the aftermarket paint products can match the durability of the original finish. The gray sealer is the best base in which to start back from. To remove the flaking paint we used a single edge razor blade scrapper with a new blade, run the new blade back and forth across a piece of glass, this removes the rough sharp edge from the blade. Then watching closely peel off the remaining paint, as long you don't nick the blade which causes scratches in the sealer all that has to be done is DA(dual orbit) sand the sealer, apply a new coat of sealer and then color and clear coat. It is a big job, we used to repair 3-4 a week in the Pontiac/GMC dealer 20 years ago.

 

[towcat]

You mean that mythical Ford Paint warranty isn't still in effect? They probably would have used the same/similar PPG paint, which would have only delayed the inevitable.


Take a WAG at cost to repaint cab and forward. I'm not sure I'm inclined to do the bed.

stripped down and brought back up? about $10-$15k. labor ain't cheap out here

 

[gandalf]

stripped down and brought back up? about $10-$15k. labor ain't cheap out here

Well, I'm guessing that may not happen.

 

[jwalterus]

that one needs added

for those prices, take a trip out here, coupla grand would get you a paint job

or learn to do it yourself........

 

[laserjock]

stripped down and brought back up? about $10-$15k. labor ain't cheap out here

Suddenly I feel better about painting mine myself.

 

[towcat]

Suddenly I feel better about painting mine myself.

ken will tell ya, I'm not shittin' ya. I owned a bodyshop in one of the most government oversighted areas. Many other shop owners complained on the oversight, I considered it part of the price of doing business and passed it through to the customer. I knew I was pretty close to average, when the insurance companies was real close on their labor rates when they wrote estimates for their insured.

 

[laserjock]

I know it's stupid expensive. Just time and material are expensive anymore. There's no such thing as a decent cheap paint job anymore. By the time you fully load the labor rates, $100 an hour is pretty cheap anymore. Overhead is a killer. I won't start a discussion here about why overhead is so ridiculous. That would probably be better suited for the refinery.

 

[Cruiseomatic]

I think this is what happened to my '87 which caused all the rust issues. Hood and bumper bar are shot yet, fenders, doors, bedsides, inside cab, and bed interior are fine. When sprayed with "mean green" and rinsed off, Looked like I murdered the truck.

 

[towcat]

I know it's stupid expensive. Just time and material are expensive anymore. There's no such thing as a decent cheap paint job anymore. By the time you fully load the labor rates, $100 an hour is pretty cheap anymore. Overhead is a killer. I won't start a discussion here about why overhead is so ridiculous. That would probably be better suited for the refinery.

here's a "budget" $10k job on a C20 diesel.