Hypermax Head Gaskets

[Agnem]

I think this thread only reinforces what I've said before. All you need is money. And lots of it!

 

[IHDiesel445]

Yes, as the old racing adage goes, "Speed costs money, how fast do you want to spend?" But also, having the ability to do some of the work yourself will save you a lot. If, and I mean IF, you are competent/knowledgeable enough to build a reliable engine. In my case, well, we will find out if I'm up to *****! For me, it is time to spend money on a truck, either the one I already have, or a new(er) one. I chose to buy a "beater" in decent shape to drive while I built exactly what I want out of my old truck vice buying one that is a few years old. I started doing the math, and I found most 5-10 year old trucks still selling for anywhere from 10-20K. I figured out that if I spend the same on the truck I already had, I would end up with something just as reliable (WITHOUT the need for a PCM) with a one-of-a-kind engine.

When I'm finished I will definitely be putting this on a dyno. Good, bad, or indifferent, I intend to put my money where my mouth is... Just hope everything works according to plan!

 

[sle2115]

I guess you missed the arrivale of Abull78 and most of the mebers saying there was no way he could make big power with an IDI

No, what I saw was a bunch of talk...haven't seen any results yet! Have you?

 

[sle2115]

if these work good I don't see why power couldn't be made. It's all about more air/fuel, and strengthening the weakest point then the next weakest... amongst other things

I agree and like Mel said, all it takes is money! What I think most of us that have been around a while get short fused about is everyone saying you can do this or that, but no one is doing it! My truck is a work truck, yep, it will get a turbo and intercooler one day, but only to make it work better. That being said, I've built many a engine making serious horsepower...my last three brodix motors made more horsepower than a Sprint Cup car with the same cubic inches and went in a 1200 pound dirt sprint car. I ran a flow bench and worked on heads more years than I care to remember as well as doing valve work, etc.

We (those of us that have been here more than 10 posts) have seen a lot of talk come and go, I'm not saying anything can't be done, but having worked on performance engines many years, I know what can and can't be done with good longevity. Spinning the rotating mass these engines have high RPM's is going to be tough on them...can it be done, yep, it can, how long will it last? anybody's guess, my guess is short term. For those of you saying you can make the power, I say more power to you...let's see it, with dyno slips to verify it and a couple witnesses. I can produce a dyno slip for over 800 horsepower and say it's an IDI!

I think rather than they "can't" build power, what most of us are saying is stop talking about it and do it. I think these head gaskets are a start and I'm anxiously awaiting the results. I hope they work out great and that's a step in the right direction as far as boost is concerned! Kudos for taking the leap!!!

 

[George D.]

Ok um now it sounds like we are on the same page but my point was Abull got flamed for trying to find solutions for the weakness in these motor. The hypermax head gaskets aren't a new development and High HP long liveing IDIs have been built hypermax built one with 1200hp pulled sleds untill it was banned the went drag racing and put out lower ETs than Zanes truck.

 

[redneckaggie]

how long did that 1200 hp idi go between rebuilds? not trying to be smart ass jw

 

[tknomaj]

Ok um now it sounds like we are on the same page but my point was Abull got flamed for trying to find solutions for the weakness in these motor. The hypermax head gaskets aren't a new development and High HP long liveing IDIs have been built hypermax built one with 1200hp pulled sleds untill it was banned the went drag racing and put out lower ETs than Zanes truck.

Talk to the Guy's at HyperMax and You will find that they say the IDI's that they built DID NOT Build all of the Horse Power that has been Rumored and that the TALL TAIL GROWS EVERY YEAR. And as far a reliability HYPERMAX told me that they were not at all !!!!!! The head gaskets that they sell are not reccomended for daily street use and boost pressures above 15 PSI should not be Pushed if You want Your IDI to live a long and healthy life. Call and ASK as I have and learn. You are CORRECT HYPERMAX has LOTS of Neet Parts for our engines . But HYPERMAX DOES NOT RECCOMEND THEM FOR EVERYDAY STREET USE. As for ABULL he was put on Vacation for his comments to and about other members . I am Happy that His Vacation is over with and that He has rejoined us Here and He appers to of put this behind Him Maybe You should to

 

[Diesel JD]

I've always thought it would cost serious cash to make big power in an IDI for unknown reliability. I won't throw out guesses as to what could be streetable and reliable. I have a feeling its a lot more than the mild 175HP most turbo IDIs are and a lot less than the 500HP and up some are making in the newer trucks. Heath and Darrin(argve too with the E maybe..) have already dyno'ed an IDI at over 200 RWHP and I feel like a couple other members trucks here would be right there if not higher, like icanfixall's rig and maybe David 85's also.

 

[snicklas]

JD,

As far as I know, Trav never had the E-1 on the Dyno, nor officially had the Nanny Goat on the dyno. I do know the Nanny Goat was on the dyno once, not to test for hp/tq, it was on there at a Cummins shop, it had a leak that he wanted stopped, and he did not have the time to work on it, he took it to a shop, they cleaned the engine and ran it on a dyno to exersize it, to find the leak. There were no slips from this, since it was not on there for that, but the tech made a comment the HP was HIGH.......

I do know on the E-1 before it "burned down" the last time, the butt dyno said it was stronger/faster that any other IDI out there...... but there again we get back to the longevity. He was playing with it, injecting water/**** into it at a rate to put out a house fire. He went throught something like 15 GALLONS of water/**** in an hour or so, and this fun cost him cracks in ALL 8 pistons, and tried to shove the wrist pins throught the crown of the piston, since he was hydrolocking the engine on each compression stroke. So it made alot of power...... for a couple of hours....

 

[sle2115]

Ok um now it sounds like we are on the same page but my point was Abull got flamed for trying to find solutions for the weakness in these motor. The hypermax head gaskets aren't a new development and High HP long liveing IDIs have been built hypermax built one with 1200hp pulled sleds untill it was banned the went drag racing and put out lower ETs than Zanes truck.

Again, if someone is going to come on here and talk the talk, there will always be those of us with performance experience saying walk the walk and prove your theories! Everything that looks good on paper may not always be so grand in practice!

There are two very distinct mindsets here, those that want a dependable and workable truck that will start and run when needed and those that want to "roll coal", make gobs of horsepower, etc. Then you have everyone in between...which make up the majority, usable power, dependability and the ability to keep it together long term.

 

[George D.]

All I'm saying is the IDI can make the power its been done it hasn't been done in a way that would alow it to be a dependable daily driver.

 

[rhkcommander]

I'd love for my ole truck to pound out 220-250 rwhp reliably but I want the truck to be reliable first and fast second as a work truck should be where a toy truck would be fast first reliable second... Do I have the money for it, no not yet but with time.

I appreciate all the work that everyone does with trying things out and posting findings and parts still in production. And all the help and services we do around here. Diesel in this town is rare and all the local shops minus big rig shops dont have jack for em'

If I can get a good job I might buy these gaskets and do some work on the motor

 

[icanfixall]

I can't afford to dyno my rig... I too poor buying all the really neet items that come up on ebay once in a lifetime..... Not really guys... Right now I'm trying to get one of my timing meters fixed so I can change out the pensacola pump for the moose pump. Then I need to shim the BB codes and only then will I dyno my rig. I really could care less what the rwhp is. I get 18.9 gpm at 75 to 85 mph in double overdrive turning 1850 rpm. I have posted pictures of my gauges and dash aguges showing this. Its an encreditable feeling to be running 85mph at 1850 rpm. No noise either...

 

[88beast]

its a swap between streetable and track only use
and anything hypermax thats not oe replacement will be a lot of money and not streetable
the debate is
if you build a high hp idi will it need rebuilt weekly?
so what we all want out of the idi is that cummins running 600 hp and a daily driver
an idi can make those numbers but not usable on the street

 

[George D.]

Why are all his recent posts double wierd