ats 088 turbo

[Mat J]

I am really considering getting an ats 088 kit from a member on here. I do alot of driving unloaded because this is my dd so will i even notice have a non gated turbo on it with regular driving. I dont do alot of heavy hauling right now and its all flat land here. Would I be able to change the turbo and add a waste gate to get more boost unloaded?

 

[Ironman03R]

You'll still get boost unloaded, my Hypermax truck would see 10-12 and I never towed anything with it.

 

[65sixbanger]

Yes you will notice an incredible amount of power, Even at a few pounds it makes a big difference

 

[6 Nebraska IDIs]

The 088 system is what I am running in my brown truck and I think it'll be a great system, but I must say there are a few short falls in the design that will have you cussing it big time. It's like they're engineers just fell asleep at the blue print table and just scribbled some crap down without even checking it for fit issues.

 

[DeepRoots]

thats strange Nebraska....
I had no problems whatsoever installing it. Took me maybe 5 hours.

 

[Mat J]

thanks guys good to hear.

 

[6 Nebraska IDIs]

The down pipe BLOWS, I can't get mine to stay in there for nothing. It slips pretty much all the way in but if you tap on it even the slightest the thing will fall right out. The other issues are that they tell you to move all those vacuum lines on the fire wall but give you absolutely no idea where to put them.

 

[The Warden]

The down pipe BLOWS, I can't get mine to stay in there for nothing.

What he said. The slip-fit downpipe was NOT a good idea IMHO...it's not easy to install, and once it's in place and gone through a few heating/cooling cycles, good luck getting it out. A downpipe that clamps to or bolts to the exhaust housing would have been much better IMHO.

It slips pretty much all the way in but if you tap on it even the slightest the thing will fall right out. The other issues are that they tell you to move all those vacuum lines on the fire wall but give you absolutely no idea where to put them.

Dumb question, but you're using the tab and bracket that's supposed to go on one of the manifold studs, right? That's supposed to hold the downipe up in place. Or, maybe I'm misunderstanding your issue? At least you can get your pipe in almost all the way; the downpipe on my setup didn't want to go in more than 1/8" or so. I THINK it sealed... *sigh*

As to the vacuum block, the instructions I have said to move it 2 inches to the passenger's side and 2 inches up. I followed that and haven't had any problems, but it might still be too close.

 

[david85]

The turbine housing is integral to the outlet casting. The ONLY way you will get more boost at lower RPM is to change the turbine to a smaller one (thus forcing the compressor to spin sooner) and that is impossible with this kit. Simply adding an external wastegate to the 088 setup will not increase the boost potential of the turbo. Thats not how wastegates work.

The later 093 turbo is in fact SMALLER than the 088 and thats why it can spool at lower RPM the way it does. The wastegate is only there to prevent overboost at higher RPM, but does not in itself increase the boost potential.

Basically the 088 is an exersise in cost cutting by ATS. By putting a big, cheap, non wastegated turbocharger that will barely spool, ATS was able to make the turbo safe and not boost over about 10 PSI. Using a wastegated turbo would have cost more, and going to a smaller turbine housing could have damaged the engines of customer's trucks. It also means that the turbochargers are severly overdesigned for how they are used here.

I upgraded to a 60-1 compressor to try and remedy this reality. The idea was to try and increase the size difference between the turbine and compressor by sizing up the compressor instead of sizing down the turbine like ATS did with the 093. It did work, but not as well as I had hoped and if I had to do it over again, well I probably would have left it alone.

Its not a bad kit, just don't expect to see 5 PSI at 1500 RPM because this kit will never deliver those numbers without overfueling. I am barely able to manage 2 psi at 1500. Once you pass 2500, the power comes on good though, and that huge turbine that prevents low end boost also keeps EGTs down for those times when you really want to get moving or keep moving while loaded uphill.

The hypermax doesn't appear to use any fancy turbo components, so the turbocharger itself can be tampered with more easily. Swaps to a smaller turbine AND larger compressor are possible. Even the older 085 is easier to mod than the 088. If the price is right, I would still go for it, but be realistic about your expectations because this isn't an easy kit to upgrade.

Sean, the downpipe is supposed to have a small bracket on it to tie into one of the bolts on the exhaust manifold flange nearby. My kit simply had a really hard spring instead. Thats what keeps the downpipe from rattling or falling out.

 

[6 Nebraska IDIs]

David that Spring idea is GREAT! I do not have the bracket that bolts to the manifold so I was trying to figure out HTH this little tab thing was supposed to bolt to anything. lol No one has a 3"-4" coupler/adapter for my exhaust so I'll be running just the down pipe for a few days, not to mention driving it in 4wd with only a front drive shaft. Anyway, that run down on the kits was great and I wouldn't doubt helped Mat out big time.

 

[Diesel JD]

Mat J, I have a truck with an 088 D/D mostly unloaded, the turbo is definitely noticeable even when the boost gauge doesn't show anything. You're welcome to test drive my truck anytime you make it up this way if you like. If you have to decide soon, I'd say for the right price, snag it, its a great system. Worst problem I had was getting the downpipe not to vibrate, this was after cutting away part of the firewall, darned saggy cab mounts and what not! In driving around town I rarely see any measureable boost, but if I need to pass somebody or maintain speed on a hill it makes it's presence knowm, likewise, when you get on the highway, all of a sudden you can now keep up with traffic and even have to be careful not to speed. Running down I-75 empty or lightly loaded I see 2-4psi boost at maybe 2500 RPM, at a more comfortable 60 mph I see 1-1.5 psi, i don't know what it would be like with a big load, haven't done it yet, that's why my fuel settings are conservative. I actually like the design except for the lame slipfit downpipe and the big aluminum air cleaner. Then again I plan to keep the truck fairly stock and not worry about big HP until and unless I build another motor, and for that I'm beginning to think the ATS 088 is not adequate, but for a DD it will make the truck more fun to drive and responsive and if you ever get roped in to helping somebody move or towing a big boat or hauling a lot of crap around, the power to do it will be there. That's my .02. probably worth less than what you paid for it.... peace

 

[gonecrazyi]

I test drove JD'd truck last Friday and I can say that it did get up and cruise along far more easily then mine. The motor hardly seemed to be working and responded quickly when I hit the go pedal. I'd like to see his truck hitched to a couple of the loaded trailers that I pull around and really see what that ****** will do.

 

[Mat J]

Thanks for the info. if I wanted to ever change turbos would i be able to change to say a 093 or the hypermax one or will it not bolt up to the other parts of the kit?

 

[DeepRoots]

Having driven both the 093 and 088, I don't think you'd be happy with the wastegated version after driving with an 088 for awhile.

To the guy that says 10psi is all you get, you obviously do not have a moose pump
With the appropriate amount of fuel, 12-15psi is not difficult to reach.
At 10psi my egts are still in the 600-700degree range. with a 093 the egts max out pretty fast.

 

[Mat J]

cool i dont think i plan on going over 10 psi due to not knowing the age of head gaskets but i think they are less then 50k on them. i dont really plan on hot rodding this thing either just would be nice to have a little extra ass in the truck, plus once i get a trailer ill be hauling my mud truck around alot more and that will be roughly 11k as it is right now till i get the 2.5tons and tractor tires. so im sure a turbo will really help pulling that.