Embarrassing newb question

[Danielle]

I have installed an e pump on this truck that's been sitting and not starting. Will I be able to bleed at the injectors this way?

I am not getting fuel through IP from electric pump to the injectors at the lines, but I haven't let it run too long as I don't know if I'll damage anything forcing fuel through if it isn't meant to.

I'm dumb and scared haha.

 

[gandalf]

Danielle the Newb? It may take a while for you to live that down!

Is this your own truck we're dealing with? Lets start with verifying things. You're sure the E pump is working? Disconnect the fuel line at the fuel filter and crank enough to be sure you're getting fuel from the pump. Next disconnect the line entering the IP, be sure you're getting fuel through the filter. All good so far? Disconnect a hard line at an injector, see whether you're getting fuel to the injector. If you are loosen some injector lines and crank until you get fuel, tighten them down and loosen more. A word of warning on cranking: crank the engine only about 15 seconds, then let the starter motor cool for a minute or so. You don't want to burn out that starter motor.

Are the batteries in good shape? How about the starter motor. Remember, the engine must crank fast enough to wake up.

Now that I've told you a procedure I'm pretty sure you already know, I'll sit back and wait for a report. If fuel is reaching the IP but not coming out toward the injectors, I'm thinking you know the answer.

Call me for further commiseration.

 

[IDIBOBS]

Dump the e pump Put it back to stock. Diagnose the problem correctly. I’d bet your ip is gummed up. I’m promise your not smarter then ford was.

 

[DirtyWood]

Keep the e-pump. Are you sure the FSV is opening/operational on the injection pump? If the truck sat for a long time the FSV could be gummed up and just needs a good cleaning.

 

[ttman4]

Danielle the Newb? It may take a while for you to live that down!

Call me for further commiseration.

@Danielle .....Dumb......I got you beat!!!! Everytime since I started my "DUMB COURSE" I've always made straight A+ EVERY SEMESTER!!!~!
And as @gandalf Ken said call him! Ken tested out already so IDI smart they wouldn't let him take that course called DUMB!!!!~

I been running a Holly Red electric for SEVERAL years. (no regulator) ands have been very happy, have run Holly Blue same way on couple other rigs and good results.

If for example I change fuel filters I turn on E pump, bleed air out of Schrader valve at filter head till clear, then crank on it.
If in your case (as it sounds to me) I'm not sure if the E pump will/can push fuel thru IP to cracked Inj lines. (don't think it will)
Think you have to crank on it for IP to push fuel on to injectors.

And BTW VERY, VERY, VERY glad to see you here........You've heard that old old saying, Goes something like this......"BEEN TOO @&%@# LONG!!!!~!"

 

[Danielle]

Danielle the Newb? It may take a while for you to live that down!

Is this your own truck we're dealing with? Lets start with verifying things. You're sure the E pump is working? Disconnect the fuel line at the fuel filter and crank enough to be sure you're getting fuel from the pump. Next disconnect the line entering the IP, be sure you're getting fuel through the filter. All good so far? Disconnect a hard line at an injector, see whether you're getting fuel to the injector. If you are loosen some injector lines and crank until you get fuel, tighten them down and loosen more. A word of warning on cranking: crank the engine only about 15 seconds, then let the starter motor cool for a minute or so. You don't want to burn out that starter motor.

Are the batteries in good shape? How about the starter motor. Remember, the engine must crank fast enough to wake up.

Now that I've told you a procedure I'm pretty sure you already know, I'll sit back and wait for a report. If fuel is reaching the IP but not coming out toward the injectors, I'm thinking you know the answer.

Call me for further commiseration.

While it is technically mine.... It's not like mine mine it's that bus, 92 na. Has not started in a few years. "Ran when parked, then wouldn't start"

What I have done:
2 new batteries, relocated them temporarily to cab so that I could replace that weird Econoline size for another 65, so now I have a pair of 65s

Part of relocating was so I could make all new cables, grounds and ends as well as new starter cable

Fuel is being sucked from a fresh can of diesel to e pump, due to sitting I didn't trust whatever is going on in tank

Even on a great series of hard cranking with e pump going, not really getting any fuel at lines at all.

This leaves the IP, but until I wrote all this out, that seemed "impossible". Now it seems the only thing left ahahahahaha.

Can I delete this thread? Haha

Wes has definitely been a sounding board to more of my dummy confessions than I want to admit. Hopefully he understands mechanic/mechanic confidentiality

I chose a wonderful time to dig back into this, but the rally post got me all excited. It's only 98 degrees here but "feels like 114"

 

[Danielle]

@Danielle .....Dumb......I got you beat!!!! Everytime since I started my "DUMB COURSE" I've always made straight A+ EVERY SEMESTER!!!~!
And as @gandalf Ken said call him! Ken tested out already so IDI smart they wouldn't let him take that course called DUMB!!!!~

I been running a Holly Red electric for SEVERAL years. (no regulator) ands have been very happy, have run Holly Blue same way on couple other rigs and good results.

If for example I change fuel filters I turn on E pump, bleed air out of Schrader valve at filter head till clear, then crank on it.
If in your case (as it sounds to me) I'm not sure if the E pump will/can push fuel thru IP to cracked Inj lines. (don't think it will)
Think you have to crank on it for IP to push fuel on to injectors.

And BTW VERY, VERY, VERY glad to see you here........You've heard that old old saying, Goes something like this......"BEEN TOO @&%@# LONG!!!!~!"

This make us alumni of same school!! Should we plan a reunion?

Maybe I'll make us some decals hahhaa

 

[gandalf]

I hate to even ask, but have you actually tested that the e pump works? That would be the height of embarrassment, to find that the e pump itself is dead. Always remember, just because its new doesn't always mean it works. Things "new out of the box" have been known to be dead on arrival.

What kind of e pump?

 

[Nero]

First off, theres nothing wrong with going e pump. I'm sure I'm not the first one here to think it, but @IDIBOBS please stop with the negative and 'ford is king with their engineering designs' attitude here its been proven by multiple people that e pumps are fine.

So the question we need to start with, are you getting fuel to your filter head with the e pump running? Press the Schrader valve see if fuel is consistently coming out. If fuel flow is good, then make sure your shutoff solenoid has power and is functioning. It doesn't take long to bleed an injection pump when you have good fuel flow to the pump inlet, but if you have no fuel coming out it could be an internal pump issue.

 

[Danielle]

Yes, e pump definitely taking fuel from can and getting it through filter and up to injection pump.

Going to try the "soak to clean" method 1 more time. This was a shuttle bus and then had a ZERO maintenance/repair owner before me so the IP being dead makes sense

Odometer doesn't work but shuttle bus company that sold it to previous owner stated 190k, then who knows.

 

[Danielle]

I hate to even ask, but have you actually tested that the e pump works? That would be the height of embarrassment, to find that the e pump itself is dead. Always remember, just because its new doesn't always mean it works. Things "new out of the box" have been known to be dead on arrival.

What kind of e pump?

In 25 years I wish that would have been the height of my embarrassment yes it's pulling from the can and definitely pumping out fuel

GOing back out tonight after 9, this heat is murdering my new england blood

 

[Rocknit4x4]

I saw Nero mention it but are you confident the fuel shut off solenoid is working?

 

[gandalf]

In 25 years I wish that would have been the height of my embarrassment yes it's pulling from the can and definitely pumping out fuel

GOing back out tonight after 9, this heat is murdering my new england blood

Its up to 78 here, with apparently a pretty low humidity. We're predicted to be in the 80s for the next week.

When you get too hot you should head for Maine. I'm booked through about the first week of September. Bring the family, but give me some warning so I can get some food in. I'm still in Cali until the later half of August.

 

[IDIBRONCO]

I'm with DirtyWood on this one. I think that it's inside the IP. I know that it would be a major PITA in a van, but could you remove the top of the IP and make sure that everything inside it is moving freely? I have a hard time believing that a functioning IP would be bad after sitting for a few years. Sticky internally? Yes, but not bad, as in not operational at all.

 

[IDIBRONCO]

First off, theres nothing wrong with going e pump. I'm sure I'm not the first one here to think it, but @IDIBOBS please stop with the negative and 'ford is king with their engineering designs' attitude here its been proven by multiple people that e pumps are fine.

One thing that he apparently failed to realize is that the E pump is only temporary. She is using it because she's afraid that there may be some crud in the tank and she doesn't want to chance pulling it out of there.