Who's done a square body chev cummins swap

Isaac Ristow

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I have a 85 C30 dually 2wd with a 6.5 turbo diesel. Thinking about swapping to a 12 valve for more power and torque for hauling my farm tractors around. I will tow loads upto 20k trailer weight. I hauled 6000lb last year and it did it fine but wouldn't try anything over 10,000lb. Truck has 54k original miles and is in amazing shape. Thinking about using the dodge nv4500 2wd so i don't have to use adapters. Truck currently has a SM465 granny 3 speed so I would gain overdrive too. I'm building my 83 idi up for towing but would be nice to have more. The c30 would have way more potential of a truck with more power. I love the 6.5 its bad ass but takes allot of the duallys towing capabilities.
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Its a tight fit especially if you are running the mech fan. Depending on what trans you run behind the cummins you will need to cut out the trans tunnel accordingly. Not a bolt in job, but not terrible either.
 

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Its a tight fit especially if you are running the mech fan. Depending on what trans you run behind the cummins you will need to cut out the trans tunnel accordingly. Not a bolt in job, but not terrible either.
Planning on a nv4500 from a dodge. I will probably run Efans on it too since room is a crunch. I'm hoping not to cut the body up at all but if I have to I will.
 

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Well you may get away without it with that combo. A little body lift helps as well tucking the rear rocker under the cowl.
 

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Agreed on the body lift.

Watch the starter location when using 94+ trans adapter. (The normal Nv4500 setup.) It may interfere with the frame. The 89-93 getrag setup may fit better.

I don't mind a 6BT without an intercooler either.
 

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Ok stupid question but it sounds like you guys would know. To my knowledge the 12v Cummins and a gm th400 would not be compatible. Has anybody ever seen these 2 mated together through some odd conversion technique. I only ask because I put a really nice gearstar th400 transmission in my big block Chevy 88 1ton. Truck also has a massive real axle I’m in love with. I thought about converting it to a Cummins but at this point I might be better of with 2 project trucks rather than back peddling.
 

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Wow ok cool. I didn’t know that. I’m new to the Cummins world but definitely a fan. Thank you for the information. I’ve been slowly influenced by the reliability and simplicity of the 12v. So many things you can do to make so much torque and deliver it day in and day out, without sacrificing the longevity of the engine. Maybe this dream is actually a plausible reality!!!

Any thoughts on converting the 88 Chevy 1ton to a Cummins instead of the 454? Or would you just buy a newer dodge 94-98 and maintain it?

The the goal of the finished project truck would be a daily driver vehicle. Target HP 300/850ftlbs torque. Those are rough ideas that I think are very possible on a budget. Truck would tow camper or dump trailer regularly. Do you guys think the new th400 would hold up to that? The new tranny is rated for 500hp. My concern would be there is no TC lockout on the th400 and lower rpm of the Cummins. Of course I need the donor vehicle as well.

The 94-98 newer dodge would offer better ride quality and better breaking system. Issues like interior plastics falling apart seem to be an issue on the dodges. Not a huge issue but I’m building a truck because I can’t afford a brand new $70k truck. I will eventually replace or repair and paint everything to have a nice “like new” vehicle. The dodge transmission should be fine at those numbers if upgraded TC or clutch. Obviously if I’m fixing up and maintaining the 94-98 dodge then I’m not dealing with all of the headaches of the conversion.

What kinds of issues do you guys see?
What are your opinions?
Your not going to hurt my feelings. I’m here to gain information and learn.
 

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Wow ok cool. I didn’t know that. I’m new to the Cummins world but definitely a fan. Thank you for the information. I’ve been slowly influenced by the reliability and simplicity of the 12v. So many things you can do to make so much torque and deliver it day in and day out, without sacrificing the longevity of the engine. Maybe this dream is actually a plausible reality!!!

Any thoughts on converting the 88 Chevy 1ton to a Cummins instead of the 454? Or would you just buy a newer dodge 94-98 and maintain it?

The the goal of the finished project truck would be a daily driver vehicle. Target HP 300/850ftlbs torque. Those are rough ideas that I think are very possible on a budget. Truck would tow camper or dump trailer regularly. Do you guys think the new th400 would hold up to that? The new tranny is rated for 500hp. My concern would be there is no TC lockout on the th400 and lower rpm of the Cummins. Of course I need the donor vehicle as well.

The 94-98 newer dodge would offer better ride quality and better breaking system. Issues like interior plastics falling apart seem to be an issue on the dodges. Not a huge issue but I’m building a truck because I can’t afford a brand new $70k truck. I will eventually replace or repair and paint everything to have a nice “like new” vehicle. The dodge transmission should be fine at those numbers if upgraded TC or clutch. Obviously if I’m fixing up and maintaining the 94-98 dodge then I’m not dealing with all of the headaches of the conversion.

What kinds of issues do you guys see?
What are your opinions?
Your not going to hurt my feelings. I’m here to gain information and learn.

TH400 is a poor pairing for a cummins. Same as a Dodge 727. You need a tall axle (3.07/3.21) to go highway speeds. Overdrive and lockup (or manual trans) are significant when you have buckets of torque and narrow rpm range. Unless you want a slow 'yard tug' for shunting trailers... they're great transmissions for that purpose. I would use a Dodge transmission because it comes with the donor truck you should be buying anyway. I might consider a ZF5/ZF6 if the parts came to me easy and all I had to buy was an adapter.

Square-body Chevs (73-87/91) were built to last. 2ndgen Dodges were not; neither were the 88-98 GMT400 Chevs. GM has a better braking system - better or equal hard parts - but you have a 1-ton so hydroboost wins hands-down.

The only setup where the Dodge has a better ride is on a 4x4 comparison, because of the coil springs. Seems to be negated with heavy-duty or lift springs. Plus you have notorious front-end issues on these. It can be solved mostly, but takes work and $$$$.

What is your '88 1-ton exactly? 2wd, 4wd? body style?
 

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X2 on ditch the th400, its gonna not be a fun driver and be expensive just to build to handle that torque when compared to swapping a comparable auto with lockup and overdrive. There are 4l80e swap kits becoming more common now..
 

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There are 4l80e swap kits becoming more common now..

His '88 won't have a 4L80E. It didn't show up till '91.

If you have to do auto, IMO, you're better off with the Dodge one. All the stuff to run it is in the cummins donor. And you get that taller .69 OD for the highway.
 

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Ok thanks for the input guys. It confirmed some of my concerns.

The 88 is a reg cab long bed 2wd 1 ton. It’s the 90’s body style. No hydro boost. I got it for practically nothing. The previous owner had a camper in the back of it so he upgraded the rear axle. Dana 70 3HD

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